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| jolihokistix | 20th May 2024 10:03 |
Something I must have missed the first time around but the captured Ukrainian weaponry being exhibited in Red Square has not only bright identifying flags of the countries of origin, but the authorities have put NATO flags in the vehicle windows too.
Apart from being grossly unfair, it gets the populace on board with the idea they are up against NATO already. In other words the Russian public probably has little conception or recognition of the soul-searching, the quibbling and ‘drawing lines in the sand’ going on in the West all this time.
By the same token, any ‘victory’ over (parts of) Ukraine will likely be portrayed as victory over NATO. Maybe Mr P needs this to save face?
| meleagertoo | 20th May 2024 10:32 |
Originally Posted by jolihokistix(Post 11659015)
Maybe Mr P needs this to save face?
More likely to prepare the population's minds for a forthcoming war that really is against NATO
| FUMR | 20th May 2024 11:20 |
Originally Posted by meleagertoo(Post 11659034)
More likely to prepare the population's minds for a forthcoming war that really is against NATO
Which they will lose hands down!
| DogTailRed2 | 20th May 2024 11:41 |
Originally Posted by jolihokistix(Post 11659015)
Something I must have missed the first time around but the captured Ukrainian weaponry being exhibited in Red Square has not only bright identifying flags of the countries of origin, but the authorities have put NATO flags in the vehicle windows too.
Apart from being grossly unfair, it gets the populace on board with the idea they are up against NATO already. In other words the Russian public probably has little conception or recognition of the soul-searching, the quibbling and drawing lines in the sand going on in the West all this time.
By the same token, any victory over (parts of) Ukraine will likely be portrayed as victory over NATO. Maybe Mr P needs this to save face?
I don't believe the Russian people are that stupid. Sure some older people probably don't have access to Western news and information but the younger generation? Technology and word of mouth is doing the rounds I'm sure.
| DogTailRed2 | 20th May 2024 11:43 |
Originally Posted by NutLoose(Post 11658736)
A Russian drone base taken out and completely flattened.
Base is a bit of a stretch. Ruin more like.
| henra | 20th May 2024 13:03 |
Originally Posted by meleagertoo(Post 11659034)
More likely to prepare the population's minds for a forthcoming war that really is against NATO
Seeing his 'success' against the mighty 40Mio of Ukraine max 100km from his border and their railheads and with less than 100 modern MBT, IFV and Artillery pieces and no Air Force to speak off what could possibly go wrong taking on 500Mio people with 1000 modern MBTs, 2000 modern IFV, 1000 modern Jets, hundreds of modern artillery systems (and that is not counting in the US; which would triple these numbers) ?!
Naaah, he is not that much of an idiot. A**hole maybe but not idiot.
| Spunky Monkey | 20th May 2024 16:39 |
He isn't preparing them for a invasion of Russia by NATO.
He is preparing them for asymmetric war across Europe, the Middle East and Africa with the threat of invasion by NATO.
So that he and his cronies can steal more of the Russian wealth and lives.
Have you not learnt anything yet?
| Sallyann1234 | 20th May 2024 17:17 |
Originally Posted by DogTailRed2(Post 11659086)
I don't believe the Russian people are that stupid. Sure some older people probably don't have access to Western news and information but the younger generation? Technology and word of mouth is doing the rounds I'm sure.
They are stupid enough to keep signing up to join the SMO and liberate Ukraine from its Nazi control.
| Lonewolf_50 | 20th May 2024 17:18 |
Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey(Post 11659294)
He isn't preparing them for a invasion of Russia by NATO.
He is preparing them for asymmetric war across Europe, the Middle East and Africa with the threat of invasion by NATO.
So that he and his cronies can steal more of the Russian wealth and lives.
Have you not learnt anything yet?
His moves in Africa in the last three years seem to have been productive, though he seems to have gotten rid of one of his more effective operatives last year: Yevgeny Prigozhin.
You might say that this war in Ukraine has cost him quite a lot more than he bargained for.
And that's without NATO being directly involved.
| NutLoose | 20th May 2024 20:16 |
In Italy, there’s a significant activation of military equipment that has been in storage. Recently, satellite images have surfaced online, revealing Italian warehouses designated for long-term military storage. You can observe that many of these warehouses were either partially or completely empty. The primary equipment being moved from storage includes Leopard 1 tanks, M113 armored personnel carriers, and M109L self-propelled guns.
Italy is actively supplying military aid to Ukraine, although some transfers are not officially reported. Previously, information about the provision of such equipment to Ukraine’s armed forces often came to light through journalistic investigations or when Italian combat vehicles were spotted in the Ukrainian army.
For instance, a Puma armored personnel carrier was destroyed near the Belogorivka region. The delivery of these APCs to the Ukrainian Armed Forces had not been previously announced, indicating a secret transfer of such equipment from Italy.While it’s a possibility that Italian tanks, armored vehicles, and self-propelled howitzers might be sent to Ukraine, Italy has shown that their domestic defense needs take priority. For instance, eight months into the war in Ukraine, Rome had 722 M113 armored personnel carriers in its inventory. Rather than dispatch them to the front lines, these vehicles underwent demilitarization under the D3 project.
The Italian Army decommissioned these combat vehicles through a detailed process of demilitarization, disassembly, and disposal, spearheaded by NSPA – the NATO Support and Procurement Agency. Italy managed to earn 3 million euros [approximately $2.9 million] by selling eight million kilograms of recycled scrap on the international metal markets. It’s noteworthy that this process also saved 41,000 tons of CO₂ emissions. Additionally, the recycling of non-ferrous and ferrous metals bolstered the circular economy. This intricate process demands meticulous actions, including the cutting of many critical components to ensure that the military machines cannot be reused.The condition of stored war machines revealed by satellite imagery remains questionable. This issue is significant, especially considering the fallout just eight months into the conflict. An attempted deal to sell Italian Leopard 1 tanks to a South African buyer
However, the tanks in Lenta have a notable advantage — they’re housed in a facility specializing in the repair of heavy armored fighting vehicles. This proximity to repair resources means they could potentially be operational in under three months. Unfortunately, BulgarianMilitary.com does not have updated information on the fate of these tanks.
| Beamr | 21st May 2024 03:12 |
Does this count as a red on red?
Positioning AA guns and firing them towards own city is always a competent idea.
| Tartiflette Fan | 21st May 2024 07:55 |
Originally Posted by DogTailRed2(Post 11659088)
Base is a bit of a stretch. Ruin more like.
Well, you hardly need hundreds of acres and HAS for drones, do you ?The ruined aspect presumably chosen for camouflage
| ORAC | 21st May 2024 14:30 |
A Russian Telegram blogger complained bitterly about the quality of a FPV jammer. Antennas placed to damage each other, inadequate cooling, heated parts in heat shrink wrapping, poor soldering.
The manufacturer has received an advance payment of 500 million for mass production.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....926ff2529.jpeg
Another Russian says these devices (called Groza or Storm) often arrive broken and they have to completely disassemble and rebuild them. This includes replacing the evil antennas and adding cooling, which sometimes is completely absent .
The Russians inexplicably continue to post technical specifications of their EW jammers pretty much daily on Telegram.
More information is inexplicably posted by the Russians about their new EW jammers. This one is called Barrier, and was effective at 150m for a 915 MHz test drone.
Also the capability of two drone detectors is mentioned, with Asel rated reliable at 1km, but Bulat not
..
| ORAC | 21st May 2024 14:47 |
The UK has handed over a new aid package to Ukraine,
It includes 80 air defense missiles, 1 million rounds of ammunition, 20 amphibious all-terrain vehicles, 20 mine-clearing systems, about 30 boxes of spare parts and consumables, surveillance drones, and uniforms.
| Luc Lion | 21st May 2024 16:01 |
@ORAC,
is the VNA shown on the 3rd picture part of the jammer or is it an external device used by the blogger to analyse the characteristics of the high frequency amplifier, the waveguide and the antenna?
This is a low cost VNA (+/- 250 EUR) produced in China.
If it's the former, the VNA is used as a rudimentary spectrum analyser and is not the best choice for that task.
If it's the latter, then the standing wave ratios (SWR) shown in the picture are not very good for the selected frequencies of 840 MHz, 915 MHz and 940 MHz.
The SWR value is an indirect measurement of how much of the signal is actually absorbed by the antenna and how much is reflected back to the amplifier, which can be detrimental to it.
A SWR = 1 means that nothing is reflected and 100% of the signal reaches the antenna (in the picture, that is the case for frequencies around 730 MHz).
The SWR of 2.90 at 840 MHz means that 49% of the signal is reflected, as per the formula: Vr/Vf = (SWR -1) / (SWR + 1)
At 915 MHz with SWR=3.86, 59% of the signal is reflected and at 940 MHz with SWR=4.18, 61 % is reflected.
To give you a reference, for marine or aviation VHF transmitters, a SWR between 1 and 1.5 is considered good and a SWR above 3 is likely to kill your amplifier.
915 MHz is a standard frequency for commercial drones, thus I think that the 3 frequencies that are analysed are close to the frequencies actually targeted by the jammer.
So, yes, the antenna is not up to the job for these frequencies.
| NutLoose | 21st May 2024 16:44 |
Thats some going, four Buks in a few weeks,
| NutLoose | 21st May 2024 16:47 |
Ohh dear, never mind..
Two unrelated sources also claim that the commander of the Southern Military District, Colonel General Gennady Anashkin, was wounded.
| NutLoose | 21st May 2024 16:53 |
Another day, another fire.
| ORAC | 21st May 2024 17:02 |
@ORAC,
is the VNA shown on the 3rd picture part of the jammer or is it an external device used by the blogger to analyse the characteristics of the high frequency amplifier, the waveguide and the antenna?
If you read the bloggers Twitter feed the photos are ones posted by Russians on the frontline trying to make the kit usable. Lot of other Russians tearing their hair out at the lack of OPSEC and data on jammers frequencies and capabilities being given free to Ukrainian/allied experts to design countermeasures.
| ORAC | 21st May 2024 17:35 |
Details of yesterday's strike [in Luhansk]:
★ Ukraine used French SCALP cruise missiles and hit a high-level officer meeting of the army grouping 'South.'
★ 13 Russian fascists dead. 26 wounded including Colonel-General Gennady Anashkin, commander of the Southern Military District.
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